68: Road Trip! Easy Organization in Cars, Small Spaces and RVs

Let’s go on a road trip! This week we are sharing organizing tips for those long car rides. Whether you're planning a road trip with friends or a family vacation, we've got you covered. From pre-trip planning to packing and post-trip organization, we'll guide you through each phase with expert advice and personal experiences. Get ready for tips on creating checklists, optimizing space with packing cubes and compression bags, and making the most of pit stops. So, buckle up and get ready to turn that road trip into a well-organized and enjoyable adventure!

In this episode we talk about:

  • Planning for a Road Trip
  • Packing Tips for a Road Trip
  • Post-Trip Organization

Mentioned in this Episode:

Episode 004: A New Decluttering Mindset: Seasonal Decluttering

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Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:00:00]:
Beep beep. We are going on an adventure, so buckle up, and let's hit the road, shall we? On today's episode, we are talking organizing tips when you're on the go, but on the road. So most more specifically on the road, not so much the airplanes or trains or other means of transportation. Today, we are tackling what happens when you're on a long car ride, like maybe a road trip, whether you like it or not, you know, does that's besides the point. This is just, Hey, I'm going to be in the car for a really long time. How can I manage the mental and physical clutter that surrounds a space that can be quite small? We are going to tackle RV organizing within the subject matter, but really The main focus today is when you're in a, like a tighter space that is going, coming and going like transient, like a car. Okay. So that is why today's episode kind of encompasses all of those.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:00:58]:
Everybody travels a little bit differently in different road, ways, you know, and and so I kind of kept that that piece open. So I'm so excited because this is one of my most favorite means of transportation for trips, and, so, you know, a lot of the tips that I give you are surrounded by my expertise or are based off of my expertise, what I have seen, what I have studied. But this one is also and add in addition to all those things, it's also what I like to do. So I can give you some of that personal experience, about how to not get overwhelmed when you're in very tight spaces, on the road, so and how to get organized, declutter, how to feel and enjoy the trip as much as possible and not have to worry about the, overwhelm that is surrounding you. So let's get to it, with a couple of our tips. Welcome to the Organized and Productive podcast with The Organized Flamingo. I am your host, Stephanie, a professional organizer and productivity expert. Ready to explore the right organizing and productivity solutions for you? Yeah? Well The, let's go.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:02:10]:
If you are new to the podcast, welcome. I'm so glad that you're here. If you're not new to the podcast, you're very familiar with our style here. So what we do is, I like to give you a almost like a table of content so that you know what's coming in the podcast episode today. We have different types of episodes where some of them are, like, short straight to the point, let's get you, you know, get going into action with your decluttering or organizing or managing of your stuff. Then we have podcast episodes that are with guests, and those have a little bit more of a a different feel and interview, q and a. And then there's episodes like today's episode where I'm going to give you and, so The and phases of a a typical road trip. And then within each phase, I'll give you some of my favorite trips tips for the trip.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:03:01]:
So that's kind of the table of contents for today, and each of these are meant for you to just think about how you do these things. So, the and phases are they're not like an official phases The way that we we have, like, our 7 steps of organizing almost anything framework. Like, that has been tried and trued. This is just more The 7 phases that normally and, so you will find yourself maybe grouping some of these tips into 1 because it may apply to you, may might not apply to you. Some of these tips might be, you might be able to combine into 1, you know, etcetera, etcetera. So that's why it's a very loose table of contents today with 7 sections, and I'll so what I'm gonna do is I'm going to guide you through the different fit like, when you go from the preparing moment to then when upon arrival, to your destination and then on your way back. So that's kind of the the framework for today. So let's get into the first couple of phases.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:04:01]:
So The and phases of a trip, and, you know, feel free, again, to combine some of these into your own, but the first one is planning for the trip. So this is just the, the concept, like you, you have been alerted that you're going on this trip or you want to go on this trip and you're planning the whole thing. And so that's like the plan, like, okay, we are going to go. Let's look at dates. Let's look at what route. Let's look where we're going. So that's like the very planning. You have not purchased anything.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:04:29]:
You have not packed anything. This is just the the pre game planning. After that, number 2 is the getting ready and or packing. So this can be in phases. So this is the lead lead up. So you've already planned your destination, you know where you're going or the areas that you will be going. You have your vehicle or the, transportation method all booked. So you you kind of already have the logistics piece all booked and ready to go, and now you are on to actually planning with knowing where you're going.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:05:04]:
Then you got the 3rd section, which is the day before or right before you get on the road. So this is, like, you know, 24, maybe 48 hours before you head on over. You're starting to actually, put all the packages and all of your suitcases or boxes all into the vehicle. And then you've got your on the road, like, okay, this is when you're on the actual road, you're ready to go, you turned on the keys, you're on your way, And you've got the middle of the trip. So this could be the halfway point where you either arrived at your destination or somewhere in the middle, like, just kind of the in between. And then you've got, your way back, so the the trip, when you're back, like, when you've come back to your original destination. Assuming you are coming back, which I'll talk about if you're not, if this is more of, like, a from starting to end, but you are not. It's not a round trip, you're not coming back to your destination.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:05:58]:
We'll talk about that. And then the after tips for when you are done with your trip. Planning your trip. This part is just as important and and should be just as fun as the entire adventure. If you're one of those people that really just likes to get on the road and go and the whole planning piece feels boring, overwhelming, too thought out, I get it. I really, really do, but being prepared or having a little bit of preparation even before even if it's, like, a couple of days before will go a long way for many reasons, and especially if you are going to very rural places, places that don't offer services, like, The usual services you're used The, a little planning is going to take you a long way and make you feel like you've got you've you have some control of your trip. If you're going on an on an adventure where you don't want any control, you know, The is a different conversation. Here's the thing about checklist.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:07:03]:
Checklists don't have to be this big, Here's the thing about checklists. Checklists don't have to be this big, cumbersome, Harvard law type of note taking, type of format. Okay, these are checklists can serve a lot of purposes, but for the purposes of planning a trip, a checklist is a way for you to start jotting down and brainstorming things that you've been thinking about, so that you don't later forget, really, that, you know, that's a checklist, a check, like a list that checks yourself. So, make it as simple as possible. If you need a template, then just head on over to our website or down in the show notes, but, basically, just the notes section on your phone is perfect, and this is where you you are going to start jotting down the location, places that you've already checked. Because what happens during the planning piece in in your road trip is that you might need to remember or remind yourself if you did something already. Like, oh, you know, I talked to the representative on this day, or I did look into this place. When I looked into it, I remember this because you will have jotted it down on your on your checklist.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:08:17]:
So I'm a big proponent of checklist. And and, again, they don't have to be a big, big to do. It can just be almost like a journaling type of checklist where you just jot down all of the actions that you're taking for this trip's planning session. Okay. On to the and tip within the planning of the trip, you know, figuring out where you're going, the temperature, what is, what does it look like as far as, culture, all the things that you need to know ahead of time because this will prepare you for what you need to buy, what you need to pack, and all those things. That will go into your checklist. Right. So they all kind of work together.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:08:55]:
But one of the biggest tips that I have under this section is think about items that serve multiple multiple functions or multiple purposes because when you're in very small quarters, like a car, all that for a very long period of time or or or an RV, a smaller RV, not necessarily the house, you know, class a type, and you mean Class A, right? There's just certain amount of storage that you have, etcetera. So anyway, but because you will be in smaller spaces, you really want to have items that serve multiple purposes, including your clothing, including, the stuff, everything from, the dishes. If you're going to be camping, if you're gonna be staying out there, like, everything, think of more than one reason or where for the item so that you can save on space and also the upkeep, because if you're in a road trip or very long, trips, you are probably not really stopping or doing laundry very often The way that you would probably at home. So multi usage, multifunctional is the name of the game. It will save you space and time. One last thing here during the planning phase, it's somewhere on your checklist. Just write down these questions. Do you want to have a special playlist, podcast, audio books, maybe movies, if you know, or any entertainment type.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:10:20]:
Write it down so you it could be on your to do list to download at some point. It doesn't have to be right now because who knows when your trip is coming up. But when you put it on your checklist, it'll allow you to remember to do those things and connect to Wi Fi, you know, make sure that you have all those things done. So this is actually taking us to the next tip of this, of when you're planning, just put on your checklist, will I need connection? Hey. I'm all about going and getting lost and not being connected all the time, especially on the road, But depending on what kind of trip you're taking, and you might need to be connected. If you're working, if you need to stay in touch with other family or friends or whatever it may be, you might need that. So make it a point to be at least aware of the places you're going and if they will have Wi Fi or Internet or access to whatever it is you may need. So those are the types of things that you wanna be putting on your checklist.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:11:16]:
So, anyway, get a checklist, start thinking about the things that you need for the location you're going and make it as much multifunctional as possible and start writing down the things that you don't want to forget as your timeline moves on. Alright. So, for the next phase, and and third phases of getting ready and packing, and then the day before you get on the road, I'm going to put my pro organizer hat right here, like, very heavily on, and it's all about decluttering before the trip. So, you've already you know, you're you've planned, you've done your checklist and everything. Now it's, okay, let me get all the stuff that I need from the areas that I need, my storage, my closet, my garage, wherever the items are, you're taking them out now so that you can start packing them and putting them in the car or the vehicle, whatever it may be. So this is a part a really good opportunity for you to declutter. This is a part where you start looking at things that may be broken, you're not using. It's it's time to just let them go.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:12:14]:
Throw them away. Give them away. Sell them, because they're already out. And as I talk about in our seasonal organizing podcast episode, which I will put in the in the show notes, it's that when you are dealing with items that are seasonal, meaning you don't look at them every day, it's a very specific season that you take them out, because they're out of sight, out of mind. When they are out, that is a great opportunity for you to evaluate if you're even using it, if you need it, if, you know, if it's maybe time for them to to go. So this is a good opportunity for that. So alright. So that's my, like, pro organizing hat, so that you can also declutter at the same time.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:12:52]:
Alright. So we talked about multifunctional, multiuse type of items in our prep work. So, now, when you're looking at the stuff you're packing, can it serve other purposes? And that includes containers. What I mean by containers, if you know our and steps of organizing almost anything, if you don't, then I put it in the show notes. That is our framework here at the Organize Flamingo. Our contain step is all about the the, place that you will put items, said items. So container could be a basket. It could be a plastic tote.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:13:26]:
It could be a a bag. It is the actual container that holds the items in place. So, this is a great opportunity for picking containers like your luggage, like the thing, the containers that will be hosting those stuff and making and and seeing if that can also be a multifunctional item. So instead of luggage, so instead of like a rolling luggage that you would normally take on an airplane, maybe for a road trip, you then take a plastic tote, like, more of a conventional, you know, and gallon tote or however big. And that is where you pack and put your stuff because it can serve as a table. It can serve as a chair. Maybe if you have to stop, you know, during your road trip and you want to have lunch, that could be if you get a really sturdy one, that bin can also you be used as your table, as your holding space, or something like that. So this is a great opportunity for you to look at the things that you're getting, you know, you're packing the stuff in for those to be multi use as well.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:14:33]:
Okay. This is also including the baskets that maybe you put inside of your car where it holds the water bottles, where, you know, you're buying the whatever it may be, like, the organizer that goes in the back of the seat so your kids can watch their movie, and then they can put all their stuff in it. Well, that can can that also be used after the trip? You know? Can that have a multiple cannot have multiple uses. So that's what I want you to think about when you're getting ready and packing. Also, within this section, this is The section where you get to discover if you have not done so already, if you are what kind of packer you are when it comes to, textiles and clothing. Are you a rolling clothes instead of folding? Are you a cube packer, you know, using the, the packing cubes or compression bags? Are you just stuff it in the bag or in the in in the container type of person? So this is a really good opportunity for you to see what kind of person that person you are and really work with it. Honestly, there's so many people that want that keep that come to me and always say they want to be more organized, and their first impression or their first go to is, I just would love to be a tidy little per you know, tidy person. And it's like, well, what does tidy mean to you? And, you know, if you are if you wanna be a folding person where you want all of your clothes to be perfectly folded and beautiful, you need to learn how to fold it first, learn the type of fold you, you know, it's it's good for, and then after that, you have to learn it, and then you have to practice it so that it becomes natural.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:16:08]:
Those are a couple steps before you even get to the point where you can do that consistently. And I'm not putting a poo poo on it here. I want to encourage you to become the best version of yourself. But if naturally The is going to frustrate you, then maybe you're more of a stuffer. You just stuff your, you know, your your clothing in baskets or something like that, then that is just the way that you are and work around that. So, get clothing that is anti wrinkle, that doesn't require you to have to fold it all the time. If you're a hanger, like, if you hang your clothes, then maybe the heavy sweaters are not necessarily something that you want to get too money of because those will stretch. So anyway, the examples can go on forever.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:16:54]:
But when you're packing and unpacking, it those are the times where you will get to learn very quickly how what kind of a packer you are because you have to do it at a very small amount of space. You don't have your whole closet to to figure out or to use. Like, you have a luggage or you have a bin or you have a couple bags. You know, it's not very big. So this is a this is going to be a very good time for you to figure that out. Now there are tips tips and tricks to make the most out of the space. I just mentioned packing cubes, compression bags. Those are great.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:17:28]:
I do have an entire podcast episode about compression packs. And, actually, it it'll be on my either Instagram page or blog, but I I and all the I describe all the different types of packing cubes and compression bags and what they're good for and, you know, pros and cons of all of them because they're not all made the same. Some of them, have ventilation in The. Some of them are water resistant, etcetera, etcetera. So I talk you through that because not all of the packing cubes are made the same. So there are space saving items like those that will help you with your Organized. But at the end of the day, Again, you know, work with your natural tendencies and don't try to become something different because when you're in tight spaces and you're on the road and you're going in and out, and, these types of adventures are not very forgiving. So if you're trying to be more tidy, you know, you wanna practice The well before you get on the road and not during the road trip.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:18:24]:
Okay. So let's go on to the next phase, which is the day before or right before you get on the road. Everyone's a little different. It's basically whenever you have access to the vehicle, and can start loading it up. So for some of you, you might have to go to work that morning, so you can't really pack it that morning, and you have to come back home, or you're reliant on other things or maybe you're renting the van or the RV or something like The, so you may not be able to do it the, you know, day or 2 before. For you, it might just be a couple of hours, but this is where you're bringing out your checklist. Right? You're making sure that whatever you wrote down The you did not want to forget, now is the time because you're about to hit the The. So this is the time to download your books to your Kindle, to your e reader, to download the songs, especially if you will be going to rural places, maybe your podcast episodes may hopefully were one of them that you will be listening to.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:19:18]:
But whatever it may be, make sure you do that ahead of time so that you're not scrambling, number 1, at the last minute. And number 2, if you don't have access to those things before you go, then, you know, it's gonna be a little difficult. It's gonna be frustrating, I should say. So, try to do that a little bit before you head and you turn on the ignition and start to go. Look at your checklist, of course. And then the this part of this is a part where zones I'm sure you've I don't know if you've heard of zones before in the organizing world, but zones are basically designated areas that are meant for a purpose. Right? So you've got zones like your kid zone or, this is where you read zone. When it comes to smaller spaces, smaller footprints, it's very important to have zones because that allows you to have a boundary so so it doesn't start to spill over to other places of your space, and then it just becomes like and big clutter mess.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:20:11]:
So that is why we talk about zones. And in the car, in the RV, in smaller spaces, those are also places where you can be implementing zones. So, this is what you know, you can talk to your family about it or yourself and just know, like, this is where food goes, this is where the trash goes, this is where the toys go, this is where The, you know, etcetera etcetera. This is, like, the luggage. So you really you just designate places ahead of time and you communicate to people, like this is where it goes. For some of you who just love this type of thing The you maybe you wanna label it, maybe you wanna make it pretty, maybe you wanna make it part of the whole experience, awesome. I have seen families who have done it where, it's part of the theme. So if they're going to a theme park, let's say Disney World or something, they make the whole, you know, the car and the zones part of the the, like, the theme.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:20:59]:
Like, they get some cute trash bins that are Disney themed. Like, the whole thing is just really part of it. So the the road trip, the actual on the road, like, preparing for it, the zones, they can be part of your entire experience and adventure. So think about The. And this is, of course, especially true when it comes to trash or anything that can always be put in a very specific spot so that when you hit the trash can or you make a a pit stop, you can just throw those away very quickly without having it be a whole thing. Alright. So we are about to hit the road. So pretty much, in my opinion, as a professional organizer that helps you find the things that you need when you need them as efficiently as possible so you do not become overwhelmed, because that's my specialty, that's my focus for you.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:21:48]:
I am all about trying to do as much as possible before you actually hit the The. Because if once you're on the road, once you are driving in The driver's seats with your seatbelt on, you know, it's not the greatest idea to be distracted or feeling like you need to be doing multiple things except for focusing on the road. So especially if you're the driver. If you're the driver and you're trying to download all these things and trying to organize your area, you know, it's probably not very safe. Actually, it's not safe at all. But if you're a passenger or you're just kinda it's just, like, it's just such a tight quarter. So it's going to be very frustrating, and I don't want you to get frustrated. So do as much as you can beforehand.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:22:26]:
Once you're on the The. There, use your pit stops as great opportunities to do like a little light cleaning, get the trash out, just kind of tidy up a little, like those quick, sprint to tidy up so that it doesn't become so overwhelming at the end. This is especially true. If you if you have, you know, multiple people in the The, so everybody maybe can have, like, a job that they can do. If you have a place that, like, a van, that you need to sweep, maybe it's okay every time there's a pit stop, somebody can do a quick little sweep or maybe one of those vacuum cleaners that you can just put in into an outlet in your van or, u s sometimes they're, like, USB powered, and so those are great just for, like, a quick tidy up. So but that goes more into the cleaning category. But I always like to say that keeping your surfaces and areas as clean as possible or dust free or just clearing those out, it'll give you a great start for keeping your organizing going long term. So, you know, win win for everything.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:23:29]:
So, on the road as well is a great opportunity for you to start mapping out, if you're the passenger or you're able, what your pit stops will be, if if possible, again, but more specifically, if you're going to rural places. If you're going to rural places, I would highly recommend you knowing a couple things about your car. I mean, a lot of things about your car and vehicle, but one of those things is how many gallons, does it take until you go on empty? How many gallons is your vehicle taking before it runs on empty, especially if this is a car that you're renting or it's not yours or it's been a long time since you've driven it, because that will allow you to know how many miles you can go without you know, so you don't run out of gas. So know those types of things on top of your hand or have, like, a little note in your phone so that you can remember. Of course, most most, vehicles will have that available on the dash board, but that is a very important one and that will help you tell everybody, Hey, we are stopping in so many miles, so empty the bladder, do your business, do the thing because, you know, this is we might not have service until then. So that's just like one of those quick little reminders for on the road. Alright. So let's talk about on the in the middle of the road or maybe your round like, this is the time that you're starting to come back, when you're back and then after.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:24:54]:
So The first is the middle of the road or whenever your midpoint is, where either you will be heading back or you're almost done, this is a great opportunity for you to relook at your checklist, make sure that everything's looking good, that you don't need anything on the way there. Because what happens too is, naturally, we we forget things, and in my opinion, that is not a big deal. Okay? The we're not looking for perfection here. We're just looking for less overwhelm, to enjoy the trip, to enjoy the adventure of being on the The. And so this is a good opportunity for you to look at your checklist and see if you forgot anything and to be on the lookout for, a a a store that only carries the thing that you forgot. Hopefully, it's something that is not a big deal, something you can just buy at a local grocery store, very locally. But if you can't, are you able to, pick it up at a, like, a big box store? And where is it so that you don't get to your destination where you may not have any of that available. So this is a really good opportunity for you to take a look at that.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:25:55]:
Okay. You're enjoying your trip. You got there. That's podcast for another day for when you're on vacation, organizing when you're on your vacation. Right? So now you've made your way back. K. You're back home, and this is the opportunity for you to just answer some questions truthfully about yourself and to not push. 2 things.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:26:17]:
Are you an unpacker that wants to do it right away, or do you like to wait? Now there's reasons that you may have to do it. So you might like to take a few days to unpack, but you have to unpack because it's the family car or you need to return it. Maybe you leased it. So it has to be done sooner versus later. If there's one tip that I want you to take out of this entire thing is that when you are back the next like, the last two phases of a trip, you know, you're back and then the after, is that you use that checklist or your notes section to write down what worked, what didn't work, what mistakes you made, what you really liked about something that you did wonderfully, you remembered, you remembered, you know, you really liked the product that you used, maybe the and, the bin that you packed all your clothes. Like, that was phenomenal phenomenal and perfect. Like, you wanna write down the good, the bad, and the ugly on your notes section for the next time because it's still fresh in your mind. Also, in your checklist, when you're back, you will be able to go back and look at your notes or your checklist and see if you have everything.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:27:20]:
You brought everything back. So as you're putting it away or right before you're about to put it away, you're kind of, making sure, okay, you know, I brought back everything, and what you didn't bring back to assess if you didn't bring it back because you don't need it. Did it does it need to be replaced? Maybe you broke midway through and but you really wanted it and like it, so you need to buy another one. So now you're making a list of things that come after a trip. Right? Like, the reconciliation, if you will. But I hope that when you do these exercises, that these are that you you embrace that it's all part of the journey and part of the vacation and the road trip and the adventure and not as a chore. Like, this is supposed to be all encompassing. So these that's why I put all these tips together that all work together with all the phases.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:28:12]:
Right? It's not like just one thing in particular. And if you're able, try to have your family or friends or whoever is going along on the trip with you, have them take some things that you are not necessarily a big fan of doing, or maybe they they would be great at doing it. So share. Sharing is caring, and especially when it comes to organizing, decluttering, our space here, it really matters that you don't take everything on yourself because that is the demise of feeling good about your organizing journey. That is where when burnout and overwhelm will come in and start to creep in, and then it's just much harder to get back and and and feel good about it. So recruit your family and friends in the process of just making sure that your trip is a little just a little bit less overwhelming. You know, you don't even have to use the o word. Hey.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:29:07]:
We have to be more organized. You know? Maybe for some people, that's like a like, that's just too too structured. I get that. Maybe just say, you know, I'm we're just trying to avoid overwhelm and enjoy the trip. Okay. So don't forget to update your checklist as you finish, as the aftermath of you coming back. Maybe go for a car wash, maybe clean out your car really quick so that you can just, you know, put a little put a beautiful wrapping bow. Wrapping bow? Is that a word? Bow around your your, trip that it's done and you, you know, you have the most wonderful memories, hopefully.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:29:43]:
And if anything, they're not beautiful and wonderful that they were memorable in some way, shape, or form, but that you did just wrap it up and it doesn't start to spill over into the overwhelm of life when you come back from a trip. If you're heading on a road trip anytime soon after listening to this episode, please let us know. Tag us over on any of the social media platforms at the Organized Flamingo. We'd love to go along on the ride with you, and hopefully, you found some of these tips helpful and a little bit more comforting as you organize and plan for your trip. So until next time, happy organizing and happy travels. Thank you for listening to the Organized and productive podcast with The Organized Flamingo. If you enjoyed today's episode, I would love it if you leave a rating and review on your favorite podcast player. It helps with letting people know that we're here.

Stephanie Y. Deininger [00:30:33]:
For full show notes and resources, head on over to the Organized flamingo.com/podcast. Happy organizing.